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Be Nice
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30th Oct 2017, 5:53 AM

Wildflowers

"Don't talk until you are a parent". What a stupid phrase. We as a society can generally figure out what is best for kids if we use logic and reason. It is why we as a society say all kids need to have a basic education. We as a society used to say kids also needed basic vaccinations until morons decided that herd immunity can get fucked and all medical science can get fucked because someone pretty told them we should all get fucked because of some study by some fuck who--
Look, what I am saying is, kids are going to have weed, and they are going to have sex. Support them to do it in the RIGHT way. By making it taboo and wrong, it will only make them want it more. We as a society can do better. Demystify, move forward, let their minds be occupied by good things. Like science. And risk vs reward when it comes to autism. Also, seriously, fuck her, fuck that guy, and fuck Jim Cary.

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6th Nov 2017, 11:30 AM

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I never did pot. Sex yes.

Demystification can be good. Science is groovy. Not everything we're told about science is pure science. Scientific knowledge changes over time as well. Sometimes interests which are unscientific may intrude. When scientific data is supressed and we're lied to about what is science, that's not good at all.


I don't think Jim Carrey is against vaccines per se. He just wants the drug companies to stop putting ethylmercury into them or other harmful agents. Vaccines which are safe would be good.

Sure, vaccines are needed. But twenty four by age three? That many administered so closely together is not good at all. Not all are even needed. You like science. Good. Let's have more science. Let's have science look more closely into which vaccines are even really needed and the effects of so many vaccines administered so closely together. Don't just go by what better lines corporate pockets.

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6th Nov 2017, 5:11 PM

Wildflowers

Find me ONE scientific study that has been ratified by the scientific community that says that ethylmercury causes damage. You are thinking of methylmercury, which was taken out a long time ago. Ignoring the fact that the vast majority took out the perfectly safe agent ethlynmercury to get people to shut the fuck up about it because they don't understand science, you saying it is not save means you are feeding in to the same propogandist bullshit that Jim Carrey is. Vaccines and the preserving agents are literally the most studied scientific procedure in all of human history because of the assault on it by scientifically illiterate people who think it has any link to anything.
I want you to tell me, HOW do you want science to look in to it more closely? Tell me, which scientists would you like for us to tell us which vaccines are not needed? Do you actually have any concept of how much time and money we as a planet have wasted on this when it has been proven so thoroughly that it is as concrete as evolution when questioned by a creationist? This is an actual question. I want you to find me ANYTHING that disputes this. Go. Go find me the missing gaps in the science.

You know what lines corporate pockets? Tiny little baby coffins. Iron fucking lungs. The massive time spent in hospitals when you get smallpox of all fucking things. I can only assume you are in america where they charge for vaccines, but the rest of the planet gives them away for free because we know it is the best piece of medical science out there.

You know what, lets pretend for a second that they do cause autism. Are you saying you would rather have your child be in an iron lung from polio, or perhaps dead from smallpox, than autistic? Are you saying you would rather "make your own choice" and perhaps kill someone elses kid because there are too many too soon?

This is why I am so angry at people who think they have even the remotest concept of what they are talking about by being skeptics or debunkers. How about you go build you own house because you clearly cant trust engineers to do science. How about you stay out of the sky, because you can't trust engineers to create airplanes. How about you don't eat food because you clearly cant trust biologists to crossbreed plants.

https://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/vaccines/questionsaboutvaccines/ucm070430.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o65l1YAVaYc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzxr9FeZf1g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuiHFg_nfnE

Seriously? Are you actually serious? Like, are you really going to sit there and seriously pretend like you know better than these people? What, us too many food groups at the same time bad too? Should only have one at a time, we should spread it out, because having vitamins might conflict with other vitamins!

I am not a fan of dead babies. You are part of the problem.

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7th Nov 2017, 9:54 AM

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Methylmercury??? No, ethylmercury. Thiomersal, Thimerosal or the Eli Lilly tradename Merthiolate with IUPAC name Ethyl(2-mercaptobenzoato-(2-)-O,S) mercurate(1-) sodium and another chemical name Mercury((o-carboxyphenyl)thio)ethyl sodium salt. Or perhaps it may be more accurate to say it releases ethylmercury quickly upon injection? Strange for you to claim authority of science when you don't even know what the compound is.


Your rant is a complete misrepresentation anyways. I haven't seen Carrey saying any of that nonsense. He only asked for safer constituents of vaccines. Not a ban or refusal. I certainly haven't. I never said any of that trash like your nonsense of false choices. Quit with the nonsense analogies. I don't want to get rid of vaccinations against such as smallpox or polio. We can have vaccines of both efficacy and safety. There's no reason the standard vaccination schedule can't be modified. Contagious illnesses of more hazard could be inoculated against sooner. Others could follow later on, over a lengthier time period, so as to put less stress on immune systems so very young. Clearly, such as measles or chickenpox would be less hazardous than smallpox or polio.


It's funny how a Canadian is so quick to trust a branch of the U.S. Government. Do you know nothing of our politics and the corrupt jackasses who run it? Not the best choice for a representative of science with all the conflicts of interest and such. Then there's all the times the FDA dropped the ball and we hear about the courts awarding because of damages from drugs which never should have been approved in the first place.




If I wanted to use the same sort of confused logic as you've tried with your nonsense analogies, I could easily extrapolate and accuse you of falsely sttempting to debunk global warming! But, NO, I'm not putting those words into your mouth. You never said any such thing. It would just be stupid to accuse you of such.



More demystification (unless talking about philosophical absolutes). Nix on spreading confusion. Nix on misrepresentation.



http://www.prweb.com/releases/asot/thimerosal/prweb11598819.htm

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/07/07/courts-rule-mmr-thimerosal-containing-vaccines-caused-autism-brain-damage/

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7th Nov 2017, 5:49 PM

Wildflowers

Recognition and Controversy

Hooker earned the Battelle Entrepreneurial Award in 2001, and a Federal Laboratory Consortium Recognition Award in 1999, for his work on “Reactive Transport in 3-Dimensions.”

In 2014, Hooker had a paper titled "Measles-mumps-rubella vaccination timing and autism among young African American boys: a reanalysis of CDC data" retracted from the journal Translational Neurodegeneration. The text of the retraction reads: "The Editor and Publisher regretfully retract the article as there were undeclared competing interests on the part of the author which compromised the peer review process. Furthermore, post-publication peer review raised concerns about the validity of the methods and statistical analysis, therefore the Editors no longer have confidence in the soundness of the findings. We apologise to all affected parties for the inconvenience caused." [3]

You literally aren't even trying. Dr hooker was discredited. Both your links are to a person from slanted websites from biased sources. His ties to William W Thompson are so transparent that you could see the two shaking hands.
My first two links are from unbiased sources, and one from the FDA. However, I could very easily link from the international community as well as the FDA, they just have easier to find documentation.
Just for the fucking lulz, here is a link from Autism Speaks, an international community that directly says there is no MMR-Autism link.
https://www.autismspeaks.org/science/science-news/no-mmr-autism-link-large-study-vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated-kids
Heres a study from the Oxford report on vaccines, you will want to click on the thimerosal link on the left;
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/48/4/456/284219/Vaccines-and-Autism-A-Tale-of-Shifting-Hypotheses#3555427
You will enjoy how it has the cohort studies from Denmark, the UK, Canada, and also the states.
Heres a metastudy from the EU with over 1 million participants, since you don't believe what the Americans have to say;
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4964810/
And just to drive my point home, this is an 8 year study conducted in Denmark;
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa021134#t=article
If you didn't feel the need to read everything else I've given, here is a quick video from an interview with the WHO from Europe about the 'too many too soon'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjoDipvPQi8
https://www.vaccinestoday.eu/stories/vaccine-champions-working-improve-immunisation/

Want me to keep finding more international evidence of what is, as I stated already, the most studied medical procedure on this earth? Or do you want to keep pretending like we should be spreading them out because of the discredited "science" of an idealogically driven person who is not trusted in the field any more?

As for not knowing the difference between the two compounds, I do know. Because methylmercury was originally in vaccines and it was shown to have problems being cleared from people due to it being a heavy metal compound. Ethylmercury, despite it having been shown to be safe, has been removed from vaccines anyways because people don't know the difference and only see the word mercury, and the international community would rather people get vaccines with a chance of having bacteria in it (as the ethylmercury is an antibacterial stabilization compound) than they would have children get lethal diseases. I asked you to supply me evidence, you failed to do so. Or, I guess I should say, I asked you to supply me ratified evidence, you supplied me quackery.

I do get angry about it because people like you are causing children to die. Vast swathes of people in the united states are now being infected by diseases we had long considered wiped out because you are saying that science is wrong, when it is, once again, proven beyond a doubt. I am not putting words in your mouth, I am taking the sources you are citing and the arguments you are stating and giving clear and concise information to show that you are incorrect. I am not attacking you, I am attacking your premise.

I am not saying all science is proven correct. I am saying that this one particular thing is the most studied piece of biology we have.

If you are going to respond back to me, I request you find me, as I previously asked for, an actual scientific article that was ratified in peer review about either ethylmercury or about 'too many too soon'. If you can prove to me what you are saying, then I will gladly change my mind and restart my previous statements. If you need me to explain what peer review means so that I cannot move the goalpost, I can do that as well. If you feel I have attacked your personage instead of your arguments, I would like you to point that out instead of just making disparaging blanket statements saying that I am making inaccurate analogies.

As for Carrey himself - he was anti-vaccine when married to Jenny McCarthy. He has changed to be anti-thimerosal. When that failed he changed it to too many too soon. I have already stated and supplied proof of why his arguments are wrong. Here is a link to what he and McCarthy were saying during the 2008 rally;
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/jenny-mccarthy-jim-carrey-and-green-our-vaccines-anti-vaccine-not-pro-safe-vaccine/
Here is Jim Carrey speaking unedited;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrm3qrZkzQw

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8th Nov 2017, 11:42 AM

Guest

No, it doesn't look like you understand Carrey at all and haven't the least bit of empathy.


You are who mentioned methylmercury. Clearly, you didn't know the difference. I said it was ethylmercury from the start. You can't even get the first parts of the subject right. I'm not buying your bullshit excuse for getting the two mixed up. Of course methylmercury has a history. NOBODY ASKED YOU ABOUT THAT. I wasn't who was thinking about it. The subject was Thiomersal. It's not the same thing. As you can't get it straight there's no call to listen to you or your cherrypicked fraudscience sites. (The WHO? Really? They've already been shown crooked.)

You don't get that of published studies very few give brain tissue data. The pertinent process is Thiomersal to ethylmercury upon injection and that later to inorganic mercury. Some common influenza vaccines include polysorbate 80 which helps ethylmercury and other metals to cross the blood-brain barrier. But animal studies show mercury in brain tissue. Other metals show up which needs to be looked into as well. Looks like there's so much more that needs to be done. Not so well researched after all contrary to your strange and maniacal claim.



There's still no reason the standard inoculation schedule can't be changed.


Not an antivaxx site : https://realfarmacy.com/breaking-cdc-whistleblower-confesses-to-mmr-vaccine-research-fraud-in-historic-public-statement/


There's so much more I could point out but no sensible reason to bother. You just like to argue is all it is even when you don't have a clue what you're talking about. I'm done with you. You can argue with yourself, if that helps you feel better.

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8th Nov 2017, 5:48 PM

Wildflowers

I linked you supporting evidence for everything I said, you linked nothing. You say the WHO is corrupt, you give me no evidence. You say the schedule should be changed, you show me no evidence. You say that mercury can cross the blood-brain, you linked me no studies. I already told you and linked you information as to how Thompson has been discredited, you then link me an article from a slanted website that is based on tantamount naturopathy.

You aren't actually giving anything applicable, you are just shouting. Thats what the entire movement has been, simply shouting. No evidence, no facts, just, shouting.

I brought up the difference in mercury types because it is quite literally the only basis to which the mercury as a toxin argument was valid. I was validating your point. I then demonstrated knowledge of the difference by showing you studies differentiating the two, and how vaccines have been removing not one, both both, to appease the movement. I indeed even went so far as to provide in an article a history of this, to show a contritionary point to why your side believes what they believe and how they reached the incorrect point.

I wish you would actually take some time to link me studies that haven't been discredited. I am willing to change my opinion and become a proponent of better science if I am shown better science. Thats the beauty of science, it is unbiased, you must change based not on rhetoric, but based on evidence. You can walk away in anger. What does make me feel better is that this conversation between us has given me roughly 5x the hits by people checking on your rantings and then looking further in to the links I provided. Because of you, the world is actually more educated on the subject of vaccines. Luckily, since you have not provided a shred of evidence, they are educated in a way that will save lives.

I will still be here when you come back. I hope you can bring some cogency when you do. And if you don't, have a fantastic life - I hope you don't get polio from people who fail to understand the herd immunity dynamic.

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